Curse

Midnight Harmony · Nov 26, 2006, 03:52 PM // 15:52

The only thing I do in Nightfall now that I've completed the story is chest hunt.

makosi · Nov 26, 2006, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I've made about 80k this week selling inscriptions / weapon drops.

That would have been 27k if it weren't for me though.

BoredJoe · Nov 26, 2006, 04:06 PM // 16:06

Now I just go back to the Tombs, FA or slowly take my other characters though Factions or NF.

Lots of newbs in Tombs too, so Prophecies isn't completely dying. Though the failure rate in there is a bit annoying.

Zedd Kun · Nov 26, 2006, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony

The only thing I do in Nightfall now that I've completed the story is chest hunt.

Where?

Hanharr · Nov 26, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

I dont know why you fan boys like to kiss Anets @$$. Admit that the game got boring and that's it...

keli · Nov 26, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by reetkever

My henchies and heroes also attack the first target. I target priest, priest kites, I target elementalist, Koss first runs after the priest for 10 seconds, after that realizes that I clicked on the elementalist 10 times, and then comes back with 3 groups he aggroed.

Now you said it yourself. Wurm farm and UW isn't worth it. (Wurm farm gives about 6K per run, while 55HP monks only got 1K/500 gold per run, but I-monks were way faster).

Team farming is not worth it. Even when solo-ing, the drops when using 55HP monk were rather lousy, now you only get 1/5th of these drops. Not to mention that IF you get lucky, you find a weapon with req 8 and 15^50, it's only worth 10K. (I used to be FRIGGIN happy with a gold 15^50. It was the best drop I could possibly imagine, it was just worth it to see 'Damage + 15% (While Health is Above 50%)' after Identifying the weapon. Now, it's nothing.

There hasn't been 1 event yet where I could make good cash.

-Double key drop/double chance on goldie from chest event came close, but that was back then, when chests were worth it and when actually enough monsters could be farmed to drop keys.

For the rest, the events are ****. Triple green event. Wow, we now have a 0.0003% chance of getting a green instead of 0.0001%. But wait, there are 8 people in a party, so that percentage goes down...

Ebaying gold is something I would never do, though. I don't farm for the gold only, I also farm for the farming. Farming itself is great fun in my opinion. The kicks of finding a good drop, and actually seeing the gold growing in your storage. Heck even games were made out of farming (Guild contests, first who gets *whatever* wins 10K or something like that.)

But now all the stuff, chest running, farming, exploring, etc isn't fun anymore. The only thing left to do is doing the missions and quests.... 8 times.

Isnt it better to see your own farming build works? I can farm almost all the bosses with ele... and can farm djinns.. Ye if you havent got luck or you dont do anything in the events its sure you wont get anything...
and yes i like farming too and the 3% drop rate means every 2nd killah give you a green the factions and prophecies 15 50 still worth more than the nightfall ones if you see a bot with wurm farm pls call me dont tell me the team farming in sorrows dont worth it... or the kaolin tea farming.. and i dont know why my heroes always attack that what i called

FireFox · Nov 26, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Hey farmers, its sounds like you want to play a repetitive game, WoW is always there. That entire game is based on farming.
Yay for killing the same thing over and over and over!

reetkever · Nov 26, 2006, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by keli

Isnt it better to see your own farming build works? I can farm almost all the bosses with ele... and can farm djinns.. Ye if you havent got luck or you dont do anything in the events its sure you wont get anything...
and yes i like farming too and the 3% drop rate means every 2nd killah give you a green the factions and prophecies 15 50 still worth more than the nightfall ones if you see a bot with wurm farm pls call me dont tell me the team farming in sorrows dont worth it... or the kaolin tea farming.. and i dont know why my heroes always attack that what i called

Well I had about 3 farming builds that worked, and now they don't. I can farm Djinn's as well with Junundu but it's just not worth it. It only gets me about 10K per hour, which is really bad. I always kill bosses with green drop events, in the last 2 events, only 4 greens dropped for me. But of course, cause everyone farmed these greens, they were worth little more than 100 gold.

Not every third kill gives you a green. The chances of a green dropping have been tripled from normal. Normally, the chances of a green drop are very little. Now that little chance has been tripled. Sure, there's a bit more chance than 0.0001%. Maybe 0.0003% then.

Factions/Prophecies 15^50 are worth nothing now cause there's a lack of demand. Why buy a non-inscribable weapon if you can buy an inscribable one?

Team farming isn't worth it anywhere. I used to do SF with a team, of 30 runs, I haven;t got a single green, or a gold. I only got about 10K in total. Even UW 3-man trapping isn't worth it. chances of an ecto drop are low, and chances of that ecto being for you are even lower. Also, cause of AFK'ness and other stuff, it is kinda slow. But then again, greens from Sorrow's Furnace aren't even worth alot. There are now about 4 different green swords with the same effect as Grognar's Sword. And since most golds are worth nothing now, people can just buy the gold version of the green.

lacasner · Nov 26, 2006, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by FireFox

Yay for killing the same thing over and over and over!

I don't know about you, but in this game there seems to be A LOT more of that than in other games.

reetkever · Nov 26, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by FireFox

Hey farmers, its sounds like you want to play a repetitive game, WoW is always there. That entire game is based on farming.
Yay for killing the same thing over and over and over!

Isn't doing quests/missions killing the same thing over and over again as well?

When farming, i kill more different monsters than I'm killing in a mission. I'm not going in and out and in and out portals all the time, I go like: Drakes, Shiro'ken, Trolls, Jade Brotherhood and as a finish I clear Snake Dance. That would be around 14 different monsters. More than I kill when doing a Nightfall mission, where I only kill some Kournans.

Also, by doing the same storyline 8 times again, Guild Wars is the most repetitive game I've played till now. Of course, I didn't have problems with it, cause I could switch between missioning, questing, chest running, farming, working on titles etc.

Now there's only quests/missions to do. The possabilities to do in the game have been halved.

Pudin Tame · Nov 26, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by keli

I still play this game because of my friends, and guildies. (over one year)
And btw i still enjoy it. And i think who is bored that man hasnt got friends or something to play with, this game is not only for single play its for to play with other people. + Gw has got upgrades every months skill balances, new titles... And about the farm nerf, the 55 hp was too powerful and ebayers can run them in 50(000) computers to get real cash. And if you use your mind a little you can make another build to farm with. Yes its sadly that game where you have to think a little. If you dont want to think or play with friends go and play counterstrike or wow and these shit mmos...

And yes there are many little bugs in that game too like the aggro. The key of this when a priest goes away is to change target and hit another npc. Is it really hard to think out or what?

(sorry for the text mistakes, my english isnt perfect)

You can say what you want about bot farmers, but they did have to buy Guild Wars. That's where ANet makes its money. If they take away farming they're shooting themselves in the foot. Farmers also provide a balance to the economy and keep plenty of items available for the other players.

Trakata · Nov 26, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by Hanharr

I dont know why you fan boys like to kiss Anets @$$. Admit that the game got boring and that's it...

This thread is not about forcing a viewpoint on others, it's simply about whether people are bored or not. You're only posting flamebait.

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Originally Posted by FireFox

Yay for killing the same thing over and over and over!

What do you do when you go through the storyline? Oh, that's right, kill things over and over and over! There's no difference in execution, only in purpose.

Edit: reetkever beat me.

Gun Pierson · Nov 26, 2006, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by FireFox

Hey farmers, its sounds like you want to play a repetitive game, WoW is always there. That entire game is based on farming.
Yay for killing the same thing over and over and over!

Hey wise guy, if I wanted to play WoW I would have started with it 2 years ago but I choose GW over it for many reasons. Also farming faction, sunspear and lightbringer points is not repetitive? Yay for another ignorant poster that comes in here with the WoW argument.

lacasner · Nov 26, 2006, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Hey wise guy, if I wanted to play WoW I would have started with it 2 years ago but I choose GW over it for many reasons. Also farming faction, sunspear and lightbringer points is not repetitive? Yay for another ignorant poster that comes in here with the WoW argument.

Just out of curiousity, and for the sake of the thread try to answer 100% honestly, was the no monthly fee the deciding factor?

shirosae · Nov 26, 2006, 09:22 PM // 21:22

I bought Nightfall on the release date. Just shy of £50 for the collector's edition. Impressed with the ridiculously huge box, wondered if everyone got the same two 'skill' pins.

Took my Ranger along to Elona, grabbed the heros, realised that i'd need to level them up before they could hold their own, so dumped them and mixed Guildy/Henchied the Consulate Docks mission. Immediately noticed that it was significantly harder and more intense than the previous two campaigns, but also that it was harder in all the right ways. It's so much nicer to fail because the party was caught off-guard, rather than because the party was exploded in a hail of Afflicted Soul Explosion.

Anyway, i was happy. Went through most of the missions and quests with Guildmates over the following week. Ended up just into Torment. Had all of my Heroes except Dunkoro fully levelled with a few builds sorted out and mostly equipped properly. Burning Arrow + Screaming Shot + Epidemic = fun.

I managed to get my Dervish to 20 (still in Kourna), and a Paragon to 14 ish (still on Istan). Decided to change pace, and took my other characters across. I've only really been able to carry on with my Mesmer, which is as far as the 'Command Post' quests.

...and then nothing. I haven't played for almost a fortnight, and have no real desire to. Looking at my guild register, most of the guild hasn't bothered either. There is something wrong with Nightfall.

I've attempted a few of the Torment missions with Heroes/Henchmen, and i believe i'm on the mission where the Terrorweb Dryders are stealing souls?

I went back to my Mesmer, and got sick of the new AI. I actually was beginning to describe the AI issues i've had, but i'll save that for another paragraph.

I've had the ridiculous Benny Hill chasses - engage enemy group, switch targets to the Mo to take him out quickly, he starts to run. Koss changes targets and follows the Monk. Tahlkora runs after Koss to heal him, the enemy everything chases Tahlkora, and the whole parade runs, and keeps on running. Sometimes off on a marathon, sometimes in circles. Sometimes into other groups, sometimes into a wall. For minutes at a time.

Or my Mo decide to zerg the enemy backline with wands, and the party drops, with a few who escape. Now i've pulled a group away, so my party has died away from where the enemy group spawns. I approach with Res Chant, only to find the enemy Priest (and usually no other mobs) rushing me... from at least a radar radius away. And as soon as he is attacked the rest of his party comes running. Try to run, and they follow to the ends of the map. So it becomes a running res/fight/res/fight battle, every group after the first couple.

I don't think the problem is just the AI, but it's definitely the biggest problem i have with Guild Wars right now. I was never a huge farmer, and i didn't chestrun either. Nevertheless, the ineptitude of the AI makes playing not fun.

I did like working through SF, killing everything ala Endless Nightmare 4, but that never happens now because no-one in the Guild is online often enough to provide numbers sufficient for an all-human party. All human parties in Nightfall was something i was interested in, but then theREQUIRED HERO: DUNKORO.

I suspect that an elite type area (essentially a new SF, yes i know Gaile mentioned that an SF update was out of the question) would go a long way towards getting me interested in Guild Wars again, but it's going to need a fix to the horribly, terribly, laughably bad AI, and for Anet to realise how bad this situation is for them, and to start communicating their intentions.

BTW, in case anyone at Anet is listening (i know it's been said that Anet is always listening, but this is approaching post 700 and still Anet has posted nothing, so don't complain that i am beginning to doubt) or anyone else is thinking 'OMG U COMPLIAN BUT DUN MAEK TEH SUGGESTON FIXX GO PLAY WOW':

-Put a leash on enemy Monks/etc so they they won't leave spellcasting range of their party.
-Stop mobs from following players to the end of the zone.
-Stop mobs from re-aggroing from beyond radar range.
-Post something, somewhere regarding the AI. It doesn't need to be in a place where people can respond directly and flame Gaile (like this forum), but a note on the official site or somewhere. Do this now.

Zedd Kun · Nov 26, 2006, 09:35 PM // 21:35

Ofcourse they took away farming, farming is fun! And Anet can't let anything be fun, cause thats unfair to ppl who dont farm...! -.-"

KESKI · Nov 26, 2006, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by Narutoscryed

The reason i want to hear if they are going to fix the ai or not is simple..

If they are not going to fix anything. then i will stop playing and give all my crap to some of my guildies that are going to keep going..

If they do say they are going to change some aspects of the ai.. i will stick around and see if the changes suit my fancy.

I mean all i want to do is see if i should continue playing or not... I love this game.. but the ai is not changing then i am done.. and i need word of that before i make a decision

Either way them saying somthing is better than them not saying anything at all..
i wish they would just say. no we wont change.. or yes we will change...

Its not that hard to do.. and i feel its the least they could do seeings how some of the people here have purchased all three of the gw games.

I still think she will be walking into a flame, and that believe is even stronger now than when I posted my last post

And that is not her job is it?? I am sure you know she answer less joyful posts too, its in the dev trackers. So to say she only visit the compliment thread is totaly not true

Now I cant answer your question on the AI things, I am no GG, nor do I have any inside info on that

(god realy should had given human psychic power

)

But as a player who also play this game since early days(I have the burn mark left by the little girl

). I say take some rest from this game. GW is a long term game, but not in the sense that players play it as their second job. The game itself is telling you to take a break every hour

As A-Net advertise, this is the game for player to pick up, and drop at anytime. That is why we have lv 20 cap, easy to get max item, and henches....its not for pve or pvp, its so players can come and go with out worrieing they will be behind. So I realy dont see what is the problem that some player want to take a break from the game.

I personaly left GW 2 times already, last year, I took a 3 months break from this game, cause my friend invite me to try out a MMO(I am not going into detail about that game, this is not the place for it

). I took another 1 month break around NF's release cause I was moving due to transfer.
I am planning on leaving GW the third time very soon, cause another game I been checking out will be release soon, and I want to try it out

I know I am not the only one doing this, a dude in my friend list only get on whenever he want to pvp. Everytime he get on, he whisper me"yo~ time to kill!!". I usualy taunt him, cause he is the one kissing mother earth 80% of the time

But that wont stop him, and when he finaly "get his godly reflex back"(as he calls it) and start winning, he will go back to WOW.
Sure we might lose someone on the friend list, but we are more then capable to make new friends anytime

and god bless, msn, aol, yahoo, and so on

All I am saying is, the best thing about GW is you can drop it anytime, and come back whenever

(That is if A-Net is still here)

You tried, you dont like the current GW, you give your opinion.....there isnt much more you can do

There is no point having it on you back bothering you since you did your best. So what is wrong taking a break?? You can always visit whenever you like

Omega X · Nov 26, 2006, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by Zedd Kun

Ofcourse they took away farming, farming is fun! And Anet can't let anything be fun, cause thats unfair to ppl who dont farm...! -.-"

Guild Wars was never about farming. So the idea of farming was doomed from jump.

reetkever · Nov 26, 2006, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by Omega X

Guild Wars was never about farming. So the idea of farming was doomed from jump.

So everything that Guild Wars isn't about is doomed from jump?

That means no farming, chest running, exploring, getting titles, having fun...
Soon, everything that Guild Wars isn't about will be nerfed in the ground, cause we'll only be able to do quests and missions... and more quests and more missions...

Wait... That just happened with the last update :O

(btw what do you guys think, would the game improve again to less boring if the AI would be changed back to normal like it was before the update?)

Amity and Truth · Nov 26, 2006, 09:58 PM // 21:58

Well... in all honesty Guildwars is sort of like Communism with all it's strengthes and especially flaws. The fundamental flaw is that not everyone is the same but we're forced to be.
I wouldn't mind if it were just the skills to set them into a balance (for the sake of PVP), there is allways another skillset anyways. However the changes to other aspects of the game are killing my motivation especially as they give a somewhat random impression. One day you're playing fine and the next day everything is different - for the worse. But what really gets to me is total and utter failure to accept the existance of flaws.
The update notes stated that the AIs would react in a certain way. They don't do so. They absolutely don't do. Instead they run all around like a gone mad RA runner if you look at them funny. I gave my best to make a proper feedback thread about it and many others joined for a multitude of oddities that are not so great - it's not whining about the AI. It's simply constructive criticism.
It was ignored. Utter failure to accept one or another flaw.
And the flaws are there, they're blatant obvious.

Hope is fading away, and as hope fades so does the fun in the game. What saddens me is that this game could be awesome. It has got lots of potential but the stubborn attempt to turn it into Guildwars: "Communism Comes" and Guildwars: "Screw PVE, go and play PVP". It wouldn't take much to turn this game into something fun and enjoyable again. For starters: it would just be bugfixing for christs sake.

Add in that they do listen, but obviously only to nerf calls. If the community asks for a nerf, you can be sure that these will come - be they justified or not. But what about things that have been promised for so long that they're no longer on the table anymore?
A bummer, it's a real bummer to see your desired update falling in priority and fading into nothingness.
"Yes, there will be an auction house coming with factions!"
"Yes, there will be an auction house after factions!"
Yes, there will be an auction house before nightfall!
"Auction house? What auction house?"

These sentences are not actual quotes. They're substitutes for all the promies and assurances we have got that faded into nothingness. Maybe one day someone important will realize that giving someone something makes him happier than taking things away.